[ frankie says go fuck yourself ]

[winterlive]

i hate bandom.

phaballa made a post about how bandom guys being gay with each other onstage is as offensive as blackface, and a buncha people commented, i'm sure you've all seen it.

and now bandom's oppressed by fandom at large, and if being gay onstage is exploitative then so is slashfic, and the fundamental point of all RPS is seperating the person from the role so if you hate fallout boy's music but still fan them b/c they gay all over each other that's totally the same thing, and OH GOD MAKE IT STOP.

i just can't STAND it. and to be honest with you, it's not the music. i've heard maybe six songs by the aforementioned bands and one is sort of okay and the others, eh, whatever. and do i care that they french each other on stage? no. i could give a flying fuck. let 'em! but sweet god in heaven, their fans are going to drive me insane. maybe there are two or three people in bandom who are reasonable and like the music (pete wentz's mom?), and i'm sure those three people are about five seconds away from a homicidal rampage right now, because believe me, i know their pain.

after all, i am in supernatural fandom.


ETA: GIP.

Comments

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

maybe i'm misunderstanding you. what wording did i use that is exemplary of the kind of thing that makes band fans feel angry and put upon?

[teaspoon.livejournal.com]

"i hate bandom."

i... thought i'd quoted it at you enough times that it would be overkill to do it again.

anyway, i had never meant to get sucked so far into this discussion, but statements like "i'm sure there are some of you that are perfectly nice people" just smack of condescension to me.

mostly, i was just not aware how vehemently you felt against this thing that i enjoy, these people -- of which there are many more than three who are sane and intelligent and enjoy the music as much, if not more than, they enjoy the gay/pseudo-gay antics of the people making it -- who are my friends. like i said, hate the bands all you want. hate the people mouthing off about how bandom is a target all you want. hell, say you hate bandom all you want. just don't defend your right to say that and then turn around and say that you wish we'd all shut up about how your hatred makes us feel bad.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

...but that, that very last thing you said, is exactly what makes me crazy about bandom.

when bandom complains that they're being oppressed, they accuse EVERYBODY who doesn't care for bandom. i'm not one of those people! i don't harangue you! and if you keep saying that i do, then i might as well start.

i didn't hate bandom until bandom repeatedly told me i did. do you see? do you get it?

and if you, one of my very good friends who knows me well, can come into my journal and tell me that i'm oppressing you by having an opinion about your fandom, how will any other member of that fandom even hope to make me think any different?

i don't hate the bands. i don't think any of you are wrong or bad for liking them. i don't pretend that you can't or shouldn't like them, i don't say you shouldn't write or that the writing sucks or that anybody or any part of bandom is stupid or in some way lesser because they like those bands. now if you will just stop telling me that i do, we'll get along fine.

[traveller.livejournal.com]

i didn't hate bandom until bandom repeatedly told me i did.

right, that's exactly it. it's like when a high school kid puts on some costume or other and then starts picking fights to prove their devotion. 'you hate me because i'm different, don't you?!' well, now that you're in my face, yes, yes, i do.

if you-plural aren't insecure about this thing you say you love, then you won't need to force these situations where you have to defend it. but all this shouting until someone says shut up, then getting indignant that you were hushed? it's juvenile, and not in the fun way.

[bossymarmalade.livejournal.com]

Hear hear. My entire friendslist is awash with SGA and bandom; of the two, SGA aggravated me more until the bandommers suddenly started up a chorus of "we the oppressed" and WOULDN'T STOP.

[traveller.livejournal.com]

I don't doubt that there are some real jerks out there who contributed to the posture, but when you have your fists up all the time, sooner or later someone's going to take you up on it and throw a punch, man.

[teaspoon.livejournal.com]

see, on the same token, i wasn't up in arms about having to defend my fandom until people started yelling for all of us to shut up. i am indignant in this particular situation because i thought that the majority of the comments to phaballa's entry were simply people expressing their disagreement, often in a very thoughtful manner that provoked discussion. i take issue with people lumping that desire to discuss with "help! i'm being oppressed!" and that's why i actually jumped in with my two cents on this post.

love bandom or hate it or don't give a shit either way about it. all i ask is that people be civil about it, and not act like band fans defending their fandom is automatically equal to them jumping up and down about other people trying to get their fandom down.

[teaspoon.livejournal.com]

i never told you to love or hate bandom, danny, and i never said you were haranguing us. i told you that when you make a sweeping generalization about hating bandom, which includes me and some of my closest friends, it bothers me.

i also never said you were oppressing me. i said, and yes, i am defensive. you know why? it's not because i feel persecuted or oppressed by other people disliking what i like, but because people i respect are telling me that it is not okay for me to feel angry and annoyed that people keep telling me that what i like is somehow less acceptable than what they like.

you countered that YOU have never said that what i like is less acceptable. okay. thank you. but you are still telling me that i, and the rest of bandom, should sit down and shut up, even if other people ARE telling us we are lesser. i'm saying that my opinion is that you do not have a place to tell an entire fandom how to feel about other people calling them out.

furthermore, i am telling you that you do have every right to say that you hate bandom, BUT that it bothers me when you do, and that is a perfectly valid feeling, which i have every right to express, and so does every other person in bandom. yes, some people are going straight from "i disagree with phaballa's post" to "omg! everybody hates bandom! stop it!" but just as many, if not more, people are saying, "i disagree with phaballa's post, and here's why. however, i respect her right to her own opinion. you don't have to like our fandom, but please let us have our discussion in peace."

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

you have every right to express anything you want, man. all bandom does. if you express it over and over and over and over, as you-plural are fond of doing, sooner or later you'll start pissing off people like me, who never had any problem with bandom until this. all i'm suggesting is that you recognize that bandom is acting as architect of the very thing that cheeses them off hardest. maybe not YOU, personally, but definitely you-at-large.

just because you have the right to do it doesn't make it a good idea.