[ frankie says go fuck yourself ]

[winterlive]

i hate bandom.

phaballa made a post about how bandom guys being gay with each other onstage is as offensive as blackface, and a buncha people commented, i'm sure you've all seen it.

and now bandom's oppressed by fandom at large, and if being gay onstage is exploitative then so is slashfic, and the fundamental point of all RPS is seperating the person from the role so if you hate fallout boy's music but still fan them b/c they gay all over each other that's totally the same thing, and OH GOD MAKE IT STOP.

i just can't STAND it. and to be honest with you, it's not the music. i've heard maybe six songs by the aforementioned bands and one is sort of okay and the others, eh, whatever. and do i care that they french each other on stage? no. i could give a flying fuck. let 'em! but sweet god in heaven, their fans are going to drive me insane. maybe there are two or three people in bandom who are reasonable and like the music (pete wentz's mom?), and i'm sure those three people are about five seconds away from a homicidal rampage right now, because believe me, i know their pain.

after all, i am in supernatural fandom.


ETA: GIP.

Comments

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

you said it in some ways, and other people said it in others. i drew a line down the middle. although i will say that if you meant something else, that's a surprise to me. maybe i'm the one who needs to brush up on reading comprehension.

i don't like bandom. i'll never like bandom. if that makes you uncomfortable, i'm sorry, but it's true. but i will say that having said so in this post, i don't feel the need to say it again. as i said to teaspoon above, i wouldn't call somebody an idiot for liking what they like.

if i may ask you a question, though, since i have you here - why would you refer to your own fandom as a brain disease? i mean, the whole world knows how touchy bandom types are about people dissing their fandom, you'd think that that sort of thing would be something totally verboten among you. but for you, you don't seem to be like that. y/n?

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

imagine if it were fifteen years ago and new kids on the block fans could use computers.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

hallelujah, sister. i am right there with you. it ain't worth getting your knickers in a twist.

[teaspoon.livejournal.com]

isn't that kind of like if i were to tell you that if you like bandom you must therefore agree with the people that have delusions of oppression?

actually, i was saying that the specific choices you made in your wording are exemplary of the kind of thing that makes band fans feel angry and put upon. however, you may have said, "maybe there are two or three people in bandom who are reasonable and like the music," and you may have placed me in that tiny faction, but as soon as i started defending bandom, you basically DID tell me that i was agreeing with the people that have delusions of oppression.

it doesn't mean every single person in them is wretched.

which is why i would never say in my journal, "i hate harry potter fandom!" or "i hate smallville fandom!" if you truly meant that not every single person in bandom was wretched, you would have said, "i hate [this type of bandom fangirl]." that's not what you said.

i am not trying to convince you to stop hating bandom. i am trying to say that if you and others have a right to hate bandom, then band fans have an equal right to be angry about the way that you and others are publicly calling us out. that's all.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

maybe i'm misunderstanding you. what wording did i use that is exemplary of the kind of thing that makes band fans feel angry and put upon?

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

David Bowie would laugh at the idea of a bunch of unkempt, unwashed boys who look like 7-11 cashiers making kissing faces at each other and humping being considered "queer behaviour".

God.

[traveller.livejournal.com]

fuck and yes. and to paraphrase Frank Zappa, the time for snotty boys with lipstick on will pass by (again).

(ps yaye dorothea lange icon!)

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

I have no interest in bandom as I barely know who anybody is any more. I buy the occasional cd, usually for an old group I like; and I listen to the radio when I drive...I'm normally too busy working to follow music like I used to. What little spare time I have is mostly for reading.

But I have to admit, of all the fandoms in which I've participated or am peripherally aware of, "bandom" is the most annoying with their whining, bitching, and sense of martyred entitlement to whatever the heck it is they want. And I'm in SPN *and* HP, both of which are chock full of catfighting prima donnas, so that says something.

I've seen a few posts about this pop up on my flist tonight, and fled far and fast; but I read yours because a) it's *you* and bound to be well-put and entertaining (yes, I'm ass-kissing, in hopes of getting your spotted underpants icon, that's my favorite) and b) your entry tag amuses me muchly every time I see it. *laughs*

I browsed through some of the comments and just don't get wtf so many people are so touchy about. I like rps, but if they don't-so what? As long as I can still read it *somewhere*, I'll do that, and they can go do their own thing. I *do* prefer my rps with balanced characterization, hence my annoyance with the almost constant stream of adorably-friendly-to-the-point-of idiocy!Jared/complete-and-utterly-to-blame-asshole/bitch/jerk!Jensen fics that are being written; but I *am* capable of grasping that it's *all* fiction, even the best fics.

You wanna read bandom? (Well, not *you*, you-don't seize up, it's the hypothetical you.) Go right ahead, no skin off my nose and doesn't cost me a thing. Knock yourselves out. Why would you care if I like it or not, or if I criticize you or not? It's not like my opinion validates-or invalidates-you.

One thing I've noticed and commented on to friends before is how little attention is paid to characters who are actually gay. For instance, Jack on Dawson's Creek is openly gay, but not much fic is written about him compared to Dawson and Pacey, etc. It's like it's not fun if there's no challenge. *is puzzled*

You got a fandom with enough boy!touching and affection in it to lend a bit of realism to your rps fics? Be appreciative, don't lose sight of the fact that the fics are all *fiction*, and quit squabbling over stupid stuff, good grief.

Hell, I don't know if I had a point when I started rambling, but I lost it, if so. *throws hands in air*




Pesti

[traveller.livejournal.com]

pesti, I would very much like to shake your hand.

GET IN LINE, DANNY.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

it is PRECISELY that touchiness - that squabbling, defensive tone - that drives me crazy about bandom.

let 'em write their fics and love their bands and listen to whatever music they damn well want. i have no opinion on frank iero.

but it's like the LJ/6A wank all over again - i had patience for that b/c despite all the shrill whining, it was at least partially justifiable. and eventually, it ENDED. but this is just a nonstop stream, and it's reached the point where enough is enough.

ICON. YOU TOTALLY EARNED IT.

[teaspoon.livejournal.com]

"i hate bandom."

i... thought i'd quoted it at you enough times that it would be overkill to do it again.

anyway, i had never meant to get sucked so far into this discussion, but statements like "i'm sure there are some of you that are perfectly nice people" just smack of condescension to me.

mostly, i was just not aware how vehemently you felt against this thing that i enjoy, these people -- of which there are many more than three who are sane and intelligent and enjoy the music as much, if not more than, they enjoy the gay/pseudo-gay antics of the people making it -- who are my friends. like i said, hate the bands all you want. hate the people mouthing off about how bandom is a target all you want. hell, say you hate bandom all you want. just don't defend your right to say that and then turn around and say that you wish we'd all shut up about how your hatred makes us feel bad.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

...but that, that very last thing you said, is exactly what makes me crazy about bandom.

when bandom complains that they're being oppressed, they accuse EVERYBODY who doesn't care for bandom. i'm not one of those people! i don't harangue you! and if you keep saying that i do, then i might as well start.

i didn't hate bandom until bandom repeatedly told me i did. do you see? do you get it?

and if you, one of my very good friends who knows me well, can come into my journal and tell me that i'm oppressing you by having an opinion about your fandom, how will any other member of that fandom even hope to make me think any different?

i don't hate the bands. i don't think any of you are wrong or bad for liking them. i don't pretend that you can't or shouldn't like them, i don't say you shouldn't write or that the writing sucks or that anybody or any part of bandom is stupid or in some way lesser because they like those bands. now if you will just stop telling me that i do, we'll get along fine.

[bunnymcfoo.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD ICON LOVE.




cocksuckers. they're all cocksuckers.

[way2busymom.livejournal.com]

*pops popcorn, sits back & waits for Danny to go Kill Bill on someone's ass*

What? SPN Hiatus is boring. I take my entertainment wherever I can find it.

*g*

[musical-emjay.livejournal.com]

The way you've worded my response in this post makes it seem as if I were pressing my opinion on you as some find of "fundamental" truth that you simply weren't getting, when in fact I stated that I did not share your sympathies, expressed my own, and then admitted that we were probably just going to have to disagree, that we had different view points that didn't mesh.

What makes me most uncomfortable, is how you chose to deal with my response. If you think my point of view is bugfuck CRAZY and you would rather that I take my opinions away from your journal because it's seriously messing with your cool, tell me. Actually respond to my comment. Please don't passive-agressively imply that I do so in a separate post.

As for refering to my fandom as a brain disease, that's just who I am and how I choose to express my love. I mock because I love, and I love enough that I can see the silly aspects of something, the mocking worthy aspects of it, and still hold it in the highest regard, even with all it's faults. That's like any fandom. I mean, we've all joked about how SPN is like the borg, there's no escaping it, just-you-wait-you'll-succumb-to-the-love etc etc. Bandom is the same for me. It was a huge outside force that I was trying to resist, because my god I need another fandom like a hole in the head, and then when I finally threw up my hands and said to my bandom friends, "OK, show me what I'm missing. Give me a reason to love this fandom", they did, I succumbed, and it took over my brain. Thus, "brain disease". So, again, I mock because I love. Most of the people I know in bandom share that same kind of sentiment, like "Oh my god, you boys are so fucking crazy, why on earth do I fangirl you, PLZ DON'T EVER STOP."

I don't think that's a bad thing. We're sane enough to realize that there are a lot of aspects of bandom that are pretty freaking hilarious, and express that sometimes, but still think they're fabulous enough to continue on our way in bliss. I just think you've got to have that kind of self awareness, so *shrug*

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

at least i'd get me one of those kickass swords, man.

[traveller.livejournal.com]

i didn't hate bandom until bandom repeatedly told me i did.

right, that's exactly it. it's like when a high school kid puts on some costume or other and then starts picking fights to prove their devotion. 'you hate me because i'm different, don't you?!' well, now that you're in my face, yes, yes, i do.

if you-plural aren't insecure about this thing you say you love, then you won't need to force these situations where you have to defend it. but all this shouting until someone says shut up, then getting indignant that you were hushed? it's juvenile, and not in the fun way.

[phaballa.livejournal.com]

By the way, I hate myself now, just so you know :)

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

Please don't passive-agressively imply that I do so in a separate post.

this i don't get. you made a point in this post, i replied in this post, we're having a conversation in this post. i never said you should leave.

with regard to your statement about RPS, at its fundamentals, being just like loving a band even when you don't like their music, i don't agree with you. but you know that. you said let's agree to disagree, so i did, and left that alone.

i actually have no idea what you mean by you pressing your opinion, either - unless you are confusing "fundamentals" with "bible thumpers", which is not the way in which i'm using the word.

i won't say you're bugfuck crazy because you do seem to still be having a reasonable tone with me, but i will say that i don't think we're connecting, here.

however, with regard to the brain disease comment, i think you just might be less touchy on the overall than your average band fan. and if that's true, you are a huge, huge asset to that fandom, just so you know.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

I KNOW, RIGHT BUNNIES? SWIGEN!!

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

omg i know you do, baby. oh, you poor thing, c'mere.

if i could make a list of the biggest wankers in town, it might look something like your comment list omg. *pet pet soothe*

[bunnymcfoo.livejournal.com]

*hand flapping*


vi and i are in the middle of season two, and oh god, dannies, i can't EVEN. i hated him so much in the beginning, and now i cannot imagine a world without him. he is SO VERY LONG SUFFERING, and I ADORE HIM.


has max seen deadwood? because oh my god, if not, she needs to be enabled. and not just because i need icons, oh no.

[phaballa.livejournal.com]

Okay question. Because I (to my knowledge, anyway) haven't ever caused a wank before--if it gets noted at wank_report (which I guess it has), should I lock the post? Or is someone sure to have caps of it anyway, so I might as well let them continue on?

Also, how did these people find me?? I ask like you might know, but... *throws up hands* I don't know! I just thought it'd be me and the usual queer theory suspects digging it out.

[anashi.livejournal.com]

LOL @ the whole thing. Seriously, the thing I find funniest is someone from the Supernatural fandom, which brought us incestuous brother luv, the 'my show's not anti-woman' wank, the 'Sam is clearly a dom and Dean is his bottom bitch' wank, having a beef with an even crazier fandom. You've built your house on sand, dude. *throws you a rock* Seriously, how long till Supernatural comes back? The natives are getting restless.

[phaballa.livejournal.com]

Can I just say *I* am not in bandom, and I wish they'd left me alone to complain in peace?

...blah blah my fault for not locking everything I post, yes yes, I know, I'm a terrible person like that :P