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[winterlive]

not for the first time, i wonder: why is it impossible to have a community that outright focuses on good fic? anthologies of selected works of fiction are published every damn year; what's so wrong with doing it for fanfic?

what if it were moderated by a small panel of people, maybe three people, whose job it was to allow or disallow what was posted there? it'd be unpopular at first, because some people would scream elitist bitchery and most people would listen to that, so it wouldn't even be all that much work. the moderators would obviously have to be people of brass and class, but i wouldn't even care if they were sockpuppets so long as they had good taste in fic.

how easy would it be to, when somebody new gets into SPN, just point them to the community? you want good fic, there it is, fly and be free.

there's only one thing i would want, and that's the ability of posters to delete or edit their own stuff. i considered yuletide for all of ten seconds before i found out that they won't take your stuff down later, even if you ask them. whoo, unacceptable, at least to lil ol me.

is that so undoable? bah. i'm sure it is. god knows we'd all rather open a vein than offend someone, even if the offense taken is totally unreasonable. *hands*


ETA: since this posting, maygra has decided to formulate a project. the parameters of this project are radically different from my little whine session here, and i assure you that she is taking every opportunity to consider the impact of her structure, process and presentation. her guidelines will be available soon for public review, so please withhold judgement on that project until you see them - things have really changed quite a bit. :)

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[traveller.livejournal.com]

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[winterlive.livejournal.com]

WHY. god, it pisses me off. if i had the time, i'd do it myself.

[timeofchange.livejournal.com]

Wasn't that what the Better Buffy Fiction archive was all about?

http://bbfarchive.dbfandom.com/

[minim_calibre]

Kinda? Sorta?

Actually, for forming an archive, that model worked pretty well, but I think only because the archive aspect was an offshoot of an existing recs mailing list rather than the main focus. When Better Buffy Slash started up, with the archive in parallel, things got ugly pretty quickly, and as I recall (dimly) the archive aspect was a big part of that (and I may be rehashing stuff you already know).

[dodificus.livejournal.com]

How would it work? Would people submit their stories to be accepted/rejected or would the mods go looking for stories or what?

is that so undoable? bah. i'm sure it is. god knows we'd all rather open a vein than offend someone, even if the offense taken is totally unreasonable.

I think that it's a good idea but the backlash would be enormous.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

sure it would.

fuck 'em. it's a GOOD IDEA, no matter whose fragile little ego gets bruised.

i would kill for a place that i could go and read anything that struck my fancy, give it a chance, because i KNOW somebody made sure that dean would not be doing The Vampyre Lestat in chapter 3.

[slodwick.livejournal.com]

Dude. It would probably turn into something wanky, but I am ALL FOR THAT idea. I think of it like submitting a short story to a magazine or something: maybe it's accepted, or maybe it's not, or maybe they want small changes, and the writer either improves/changes or sends it someplace else/self-publishes.

[traveller.livejournal.com]

thinking of it that way helps me like the idea better. but I am still wondering how the editors get to be editors.

[nomelon.livejournal.com]

It would probably cause huge amounts of bickering and wank so the class and brass levels would have to be off the charts! It's a good idea in theory and I'm all for being pointed towards the good fic, but there's no accounting for tastes and isn't what you're suggesting just a rec comm with a much smaller spectrum of input?

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

off the damn charts, no lie.

self-nominating is easy, man, especially when denials aren't public. there's relatively little risk, if the moderators of the comm aren't huge bitches - and of course, as class is one of the requirements, they couldn't be. so the spectrum of input actually ought to be widened, as anybody could put their fic forward for review. in theory, in the ideal, it ought to CUT DOWN on cronyism - people wind up having to read more than just their flists, they give other authors a chance, maybe discover somebody new.

[foofasaurus.livejournal.com]

A community that burst on the scene loudly proclaiming itself the arbiter of taste and an archive for "the best" would obviously be a wank magnet. But why not a community that starts out quietly, at first approaching authors until it gets big enough for people to submit to it themselves, and described as an anthology. "Look, this is a place where we're collecting fic of a certain type and standard, because we know there's an audience for this kind of fic. We're not representing ourselves as 'the best' of anything. Blah blah."

Or am I too Pollyanna?

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

why is that pollyanna? if it is, then braid my hair and bring me the satin ribbons.

[cofax7]

I... don't quite get the distinction between what you're proposing and the existing recs communities. Can you clarify?

Certainly a self-selected group of writers producing "good fic" would be likely to result in charges of elitism (and therefore wank).

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

sure, if you SAY "good fic" then people lose it on you, but that's what you're doing no matter how you sugar-coat it, right? recs communities are great for what they are, but anybody can rec, and that's almost the same as anybody being able to submit fic, which leads us right back to an avalanche of fic and no way to sort the good from the bad.

the solution is obscured right now, but the problem is clear, y'know?

[kali1967.livejournal.com]

I'd be all for a community like that. I mean, there would obviously be questions of taste and not everyone would agree with any given story, but I think it would work. I think maybe a slightly bigger panel (maybe five?) would work better, though. But yeah, it would be great to have a community where you don't have to wade through ten poorly-written non-con vamp!fic to get to the one good one.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

glory, hallelujah.

i don't know why you'd want a bigger panel. they wouldn't have to vet each other's approval/denials; that would just take WAY too long. the only reason i suggested three is because i figure that way nobody's saddled with having to wade through submissions all on their lonesome.

[that_mireille]

See... I don't have a problem with that. I mean, I had stories rejected from fanzines. I had stories sent back to me with "I'd like to, but you have to fix X, Y, and Z"--sometimes I fixed them, sometimes I thought that was stupid and I sent the story elsewhere. And I knew which zines edited (or were picky--one of the best zines in my main fandom back then didn't really edit, but she turned down a lot of stuff) and which would print anything at all. (And when money was tight, guess which I bought?)

But it would be a massive wank magnet.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

of course it would.

now. who's brave enough to do it anyway? :D

[thexpuzzler.livejournal.com]

Replying to your last comment to the last comment before mine: brave enough probably quite a few people, including me. Some people just can't be itched by wank :P
The question is, who is brave enough, has got the time AND thinks of themselves as having good taste?

I mean, potentially, I would fit all three categories (I'm dead picky about my reading material, considering the irony that my own writing probably wouldn't be considered brill). The experience I have made, unfortunately (in other fandoms mostly) is that unless you have someone who's a 'BNF' or something at least vaguely close to it (I don't like the title, mind you) 'directing' the comm, most people won't bother checking it out. And having such a comm without having any people reading it would really be a waste of time.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

first, i think that if so-called BNFs are being published on the site, that's enough to get people reading, especially if they make a point of saying that that's where they post. most people i know don't crosspost to comms at ALL, because they don't want to be affiliated with some of the crap that gets posted there.

second, i waffle between having a sock puppet lj account for the mods and just having mods listed outright. the anonymity would be nice for the moderators, but on the other hand i think i'd respect the venture more if the people doing this stuff had the stones to put their names to it. *weigh scale hands*

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I feel like a broken record because everyone else has said this already, but what the hell.

I like the idea of there being a SPN community with all the best fiction out there because I am a LAZY BASTARD and it would make things very easy for me. That being said, because "best" isn't really quantifiable and there are no standards for judging it, I'd be extremely nervous about it. I'd be worried about elitism, yes, but also people just pimping their friends fiction; a group of writers engaged in a giant circle jerk. I've also read fiction out there has a billion pages of comments that I... generally think is pretty awful. Not to say the sun shines out of my ass or that I'm the best judge of fiction (because I'm not), but diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, y'know? What's the best to one person could be shit on a stick to the next person.

In the end, I think that rec lists (like delicious, like rec comms) are probably the better idea because they don't necessarily purport to contain the best fiction, but rather go, "hey, this is stuff that I enjoyed. I think you might like it too." In the end, it's all just splitting hairs, mainly because I think some rec comms operate a lot like the fiction comm you're suggestion.

So what does this mean? I HAVE NO IDEA. I need some fucking caffeine.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

nobody said "best", man. "good", yes. "selected works of fanfiction", yes. best? no. better than anybody else? no. LITERARY: yes.

maybe that's how you do it. call it a comm for LITERARY fanfic and then people can go, oh, but mine's just porn, that's why it didn't go.

although as i said to cofax7 above, no matter how you sugarcoat it, everybody knows what you're really doing. the question is, how many concessions do you make toward people getting their knickers in a twist? how much will you allow your goal to be compromised? what kind of mission statement is going to a) accomplish what ought to be accomplished and b) create the least waves?

[maygra.livejournal.com]

I would totally administer the comm as long as I wasn't involved in jurying the submitting fic -- and I think that would be the way to go, with people willing to put their stories up AND possible have them rejected.

I do, however, have a thing about people being able to take their work down once it's been accepted -- since it's like trying to unpublish something by recalling all copies of a hardcopy anthology. i.e. I would be willing to allow it but whoever did, would never be able to submit again and it would be all their work, not a single piece if they had multiple submissions.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

what's the reasoning behind that rule, if you don't mind my asking? it wouldn't be my first instinct, but i'd be interested in hearing how it works for you.

[elz.livejournal.com]

how easy would it be to, when somebody new gets into SPN, just point them to the community? you want good fic, there it is, fly and be free.

I usually look to recs lists for that (and bless the folks who compile them). A small panel of people posting recs on a community would give you more or less the same result with less drama and fewer hurt feelings. Sure, sometimes you need to offend people in order to accomplish something, but nobody really enjoys rejection, so why go there if you don't have to?

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

because the benefits outweigh the risks, man. (http://winterlive.livejournal.com/410513.html?thread=11251857#t11251857)

[zoniduck.livejournal.com]

It seems to work for comms like takenote_icons and good_galacticon, but the when some well-intentioned fen tried to create exactly what you're talking about for LotRiPS fic a few years ago, it caused a shit storm of wank that was not to be believed.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

i believe it, man. like i said, it's guaranteed to create wank - but maybe it ought to be done ANYWAY.

[cityphonelines.livejournal.com]

Not taking a pro or con stance on this, but *plays devil's advocate* what would be the criteria?

That is to say, would fic acceptance be based solely on execution or would premise be a factor?

And would there be a line dividing quote unquote good fic vs. enjoyable fic?

Would the acceptance of the fic be given by one mod/editor or by two or three (like with elite icon comms, there's usually 3-5 mods and when someone applies they have to be accepted by a majority say 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5)?

Would there be gen, het, slash and Wincest sections? If so, how would the debate about Wincest factor in? Would there be editors for each faction?

Inquiring minds and such, y'know?

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

i haven't really drilled down much into the logistics. it's something i'd like to read and post to, not something i'd like to administrate or judge. it's clear that it'll take somebody with the kind of time and patience that i USED to have. :)

i honestly don't think there's that much of a demarcation problem. i think most people can look at something and go, that is wretched or hey, that's pretty good. i mean, people will expect to see criteria and rules and transparency of process, but if you get the right panel, you just don't need it, honestly.

and above all, perhaps, it will give people the opportunity to figure out if they need a new beta or not, you know? people who honestly want to WRITE, not just to amuse themselves but to get better at the craft, they can have some kind of place to go where people will give them an eyeball and an honest opinion, even if it's short.

i foresee this kind of thing being something that READERS would undertake, not writers. people with editing skills, with the time and inclination to go, okay, this is good, or this needs work.

[vylit.livejournal.com]

I don't hate the idea, but how would you choose the panel? I mean, if you were one of them, it'd probably consist of you and two people on your f-list who you believe has good taste, or maybe someone not on your f-list but someone who's writing you admire. Which, you know, means it'd be limited to people who you know.

Also, if you're asking people to submit, I doubt there would be a lot of submissions, because there is the fear of getting rejected, people who have issues with someone on the panel won't want to submit because they'll figure that they'll be rejected or won't be properly considered, and you'd have to have some kind of actual guideline in place for what won't make it.

For instance, are you going to exclude a certain type of fic regardless of it's other merits: rapefic, John/Sam or John/Dean, REALLY underage Sam/Dean.

If there are grammatical errors but the fic is good, will writers be given the opportunity to clean it up and then resubmit? If so, how many are too many? Will everyone who gets rejected just get a "no" or will they get feedback as to why, and who will be doing the feedback?

Honestly, because the problem of the panel and who's on it, and the possible limitation due to similar taste, I'm not sure how much, in terms of numbers, good fic would even be on it. And, if you ask people for submissions, it makes the people on the panel responsible for reading all the fic put out there, doesn't it? I don't see how you would be able to create something large enough and comprehensive enough to be useful without covering massive quantities of produced fic.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

oh, don't get me wrong, angel, i have no intention of modding this mother. see my comments to adis723 above for a detailed explanation of how i figure it, but in short, i'd rather post and read to it, not adjudicate.

i think people would totally submit, so long as it was guaranteed to be confidential if you got rejected. people submit their names to those anonymous beat-me-with-a-stick memes all the time.

i would *hope* that a couple errors would be grounds for "fix this" and a couple dozen would be grounds for "don't come back until you have a beta". if i were really ambitious, i could hope that a beta team would affiliate with the comm and would take referrals.

i would also hope that all things would be considered. specialists would probably be required, people who tend to enjoy... things that would make me freak out and hit somebody. :)

[montanaharper]

See, and I think that the concept of "good" fanfic varies so much from person to person that there's no way this would be doable on a large scale. What I like in fic may not be what you like may not be what Suzie Q Fangirl likes; which of us likes "good" fic and which of us likes "crappy" fic?

Once (generic) you start bringing polarized words like that into the discussion, especially in an arena where you're talking more about issues of individual taste than about something that can be widely agreed upon—and if you think there's any chance of a consensus on what constitutes "good" fic, you should take a look at fannish history and the outcry that happens when someone dares to suggest it's a good idea to have a beta reader or to spell check before posting—then I think you're destined to sink beneath the wankspooge, whether or not your intentions were good and true.

Which isn't to say that we probably wouldn't all love to see an archive of fic that adheres to our own ideas of what's good...just that I don't think it's an attainable goal on anything more than a very micro scale.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

i've tossed around the idea here of trading out the word "good" with "literary". the idea being that people who are interested in blurting out whatever comes into their head in the name of jerking off need not apply, but people who have an interest in making art, improving their writing skills, those people can come hang.

not to say that one is any better than the other - god knows we all love to jerk off - but that this particular comm is just for the other thing.

i would like a place where critical thinking is not anathema.

[soundingsea.livejournal.com]

Okay, I ran a veronica mars fic rec comm for years. It's a TON of work; think of all the fic you have to read in order to decide what is rec-worthy? And it's mostly thankless; 90% of the time you just hear about how mean you are for not reccing someone, or how you shouldn't have recced X and it's all because of your biases. Whatevers.

There was also a veronica mars elite fic community; iirc you had to apply and get evaluated and then had to post your fic on the comm, blah blah blah. I dunno, I hate posting fic in comms as opposed to my journal, so I never applied, but I recall it causing a fair amount of wank and accusations of favoritism. And again, you need a plentiful staff of editors.

Yuletide will take your name off fic if need be, but since the fic is intended as a gift, you aren't allowed to ungift it later. Seems reasonable to me.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

wrt yuletide: it's just something that makes me, personally, uncomfortable. i'm certainly not trying to imply that anybody else needs to have my opinion on that subject, it's just a quirk of mine. :)

okay, lots of editors. that's totally fair. accusations of favoritism, i think, are gonna be par for the course here, but that's the kind of thing i would think would be up front from the get-go - if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, right? i mean, somebody like you, just running a regular old comm, might not be expecting it. for something like THIS? oh, i think they better be. :D

[balefully.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Interesting proposition! Would this (hypothetical!) comm start as of now, taking only submissions created after its inception? Or would authors be able to submit older works previously posted elsewhere? Once accepted, would the author be restricted from posting the fic elsewhere?

My main question, though, is the same as that of many before me: in your opinion, how would the "judges" or "editors" of such a comm be chosen? It seems to me like they should be held to a set of stringent criteria as well, and that the person who chooses them should do so completely blind, with no names attached. Which of course begs the question of who will be doing the choosing and how THAT person is to be chosen. While a good idea in theory, I don't think it's actually possible to make sure this is a non-partisan process free of elitism/cliques favouring one another, etc.

The other issue is also having more than one judge/editor. If I, for example, were a "chooser" for this comm, and decided a fic did not deserve an acceptance and felt very strongly about it, yet another (or many other, depending on how the selection process worked) person(s) did feel it should be included and I were overruled...I don't know, it just seems like there is a LOT of room for ill feelings when people's taste is being judged openly like that. It seems like there are bound to be those who wouldn't want to be associated with the inclusion of a fic they consider unworthy in some way. (Ahaha, wow, that sounds really vague and made a lot more sense in my head. :/)

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

you're right. it's totally impossible to make sure it's a non-partisan process free of elitism. i don't think that whoever puts together this thing should even ATTEMPT such a thing. that's ridonkulous.

the qualities that would be represented on my editor dream team, in my very humble opinion which does not actually matter as i would never judge these things myself, are:

REQUIRED
- patience
- assertiveness
- self-confidence
- time (somebody who'd be reading fic anyway would be preferable; writers probably don't have this qualification)
- the ability to utterly shrug off whiners wank

WOULD BE NICE
- background in literature, grammar
- the ability to give feedback/concrit to those who were denied
- knowledge of available betas

and surely other things which i am missing.

also, if people are childish enough to whine that some other editor picked something they didn't like, they don't damn well belong on something like this. grown-ups only, please.

but they probably ought to come up with something for if one editor is choosing crap quality stuff over the long term and needs to be replaced. again, you need people for this that have balls of solid steel.

[maygra.livejournal.com]

logistics, logistics...so setting aside the selection of approval panelists (And I'd susggest five or six or more, but only three to review any single story and that on a rotating basis -- i.e. they don't get to pick what they review, they review what they are given.)

And the submissions are stripped of author identification by say the moderator, so the panel just gets the story (and any incidental information deemed necessary.)

All the reviewers are listed but not the names of the three reviewing the story -- feedback and criticism is compiled and returned to the author, privately, again, via a single point of contact.

And it could be set up that even if the moderator knows who is submitting, they can't stack the deck -- that the panel review is on a constantly revolving set, that may occasionally overlap....

So you have:

Amy, Sue, Carla
Ella, Mary, Amy
Sue, Carla, Ella
Carla, Ella, Mary, etc.

If there's an iffy one, we could pass it to the next panel set to review, with only one carry over for continuity.

RE: Panelists, we could do the "know you --volunteer" route but hold an equal number of open volunteer review slots. So we have four folks who stat but we offer four additional slots pulled at random (we can have some kind of screening process) so the harping of favoritism could be mitigated.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

you're fucking awesome, did you know that? you amaze me with your smartness. i'm sure all this planning is totally necessary, i mean...

i admit, my first impulse is just to say, okay, so, editors should just be smart, competent women (or men!) who can be trusted to vet stories on a one-for-one basis. if i were running this show, it'd be as simple as that, and i'd only need three or four editors.

that's why i don't run these shows. :D

also i find it hysterical that two of your panelists are mary and sue. :D

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

Another option is a multi-author archive. Sort of like StA. It's subjective, of course it is, but I have never been bitched at for it.

It could have subsections, like for cest or gen, each with its own webmistress in charge of gathering and updating. It's no more work to read all the fic, pick the best and slap it up on a site than it is to read every fic submitted to you, concrit it and accept or reject it.

Just a thought.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

but then you have to go out and pick all this stuff up yourself, put it up yourself, and just trust that people read it. and it's not on LJ. and there's no community around it.

the POINT, edith, is to encourage people (the people who volunteer, who want to) to be WRITERS. to be ARTISTS. to connect to other people who see it the same way.

porn is awesome, everybody loves porn, but this thing would, in my view, aim more toward efforts that one could term "literary". maybe there'd be sex in 'em, but that probably wouldn't be the point, y'know? or maybe it would, but in a really interesting way. y'know what i mean, man?

in totally unrelated news, I GOT UR CARD AND ILU. :*

[jamesinboots.livejournal.com]

You know, Danny, there are such communities for icons - in SPN fandom, we have good_snicons, yes? How is fic any different, honestly? I haven't seen any backlash against that particular icon community, or seen it called elitist, and if a fiction community was created along the same lines, why should it be singled out? I think I saw somebody up above mention it's different, but ... hmmm. I guess I don't see why it should be seen as different, but maybe I'm missing something. (Probably? :9)

I do pity the group that ends up being the "jury", though - I can only imagine how many fic submissions they'd end up having to read on a regular basis if such a community were to get big enough. A bit more time consuming than judging icons, I guess. *smile* And the obvious problem comes with selecting the jury/panel members - can the person doing the selecting be one of those members? Does more than one person need to select the members? Gah. That's the only part I see people maybe having problems with. Perhaps.

In other words: ramble ramble ramble I think it's a smart idea, and I'd love to read such a community, Dannies. I'm too damn lazy to wade through the newsletter, honestly. ;)

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

jim, i think it's because people who create visual art actually have their art referred to as ART.

i know a guy, a writer, who works at a prominent gaming company. he tells me all the time about how people seem to have the impression that anybody could just sit down and write, that it isn't really that hard. that "writer" does not equal "artist", not in any way. you don't have to be all that talented, intrinsically. you just have to sit down and type and maybe dust off your dictionary. use a spell check.

that notion is amplified NINETHOUSANDFOLD in fandom, because here we have people who literally say, "oh, i'm just doing it to get off, i don't care if it's art."

I WANT ART, GODDAMMIT.

[halfshellvenus.livejournal.com]

It IS a tough question--because the wank potential is epic, and it could be valuable or problem-ridden, depending.

What if a given reviewer takes issue with a characterization but other reviewers do not? Does the fic pass or go down in flames?

I like Maygra's rotating panel idea, in part because I'd worry about homogeneity developing if the same people do the approvals for too long. And burnout, always the burnout factor. ;)

I know someone tried to start this up for Prison Break, but then seemed to abandon it immediately (perhaps the prospect of the work was daunting). So I can't speak from any experience with it, myself.

It would certainly eliminate a lot of badfic, whether the fiction is intentionally bad or otherwise. ;)

[maygra.livejournal.com]

It would take a fairly good sized pool of panelists, yes. And I don't think it would eliminate the badfic as much as pluck the really good ones out a bit and say, hey, did you read this one?

[maygra.livejournal.com]

So, set up:

People can only submit their own stories, and those stories have to be submitted via email as a doc or rtf, so that identifying info can be stripped from them. We could set up a gmail account for submissions.

A fic that is widely recognized by the panels will be reviewed by either a) people who aren't familiar with it or b) by a wider group of panelists, say five rather than three.

All fics are prescreened by line editors: i.e. they don't read for content per se, as much as make sure grammar and spelling issues are at least seen. Failure at screening simply gets the fic returned to the author for a clean up. It can be resubmitted. (And we can make that clear up front, that people really need to review their stuff. *I* would be rejected every damn time. *g*)

Fic is read by 3 people who give general summations of pass or fail. It doesn't have to be a line edit or beta (And shouldn't be) but it needs to be a quick review. Those reviews (Stripped of the panelists names) can be given to the author if they want to know. Good reviews could be posted as an accompanying introduction to the story as a kind of foreword.

And now that I Think of it. this is pretty much what the Death Dogs site does for Mag 7 which actually is pretty wank free.

http://www.deathdogs.net/mag7.html

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

line editors should have discretion to go, okay, i have seen this fic four times, it's out. or this author consistently uses me as a beta, she doesn't respect the process, she's out. and if line editors miss a typo or two, who cares - they're not betas, they're just doing a few minutes per story to weed down the slush pile.

the magnificent seven is a fandom that, in comparison to supernatural fandom, is made out of SAINTS AND APOSTLES. but that's encouraging, all the same. :D

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

The mods would have to be unafraid of pissing people off and more concerned with promoting good fan lit than being popular (which sounds easier than it is-you've gotta be dedicated and thick-skinned, imo). Perhaps building membership by invitation might work, at least at first, until it was a stable and thriving comm-it might limit the possibility of being flagged for content out of spite.

[maygra.livejournal.com]

Heh. Not if we flag it first. The premise could be that the actual mod(s) for the comm has no input into fic selection. They simply administrate the process.


also, I love your icon.