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[winterlive]

so long, hiro's glasses! never see you again! badass future hiro now in effect!

oh, kaito. oh, noah. oh, bob. oh, matt. OH, VARYING LEVELS OF DADDIES.

now, to recap, the following people use their powers primarily for:

Good	Both	Evil
Hiro Ando		Adam
Alejandro Molly	Mohinder* Matt*	Maja Sylar
Micah Michelle	Niki The Haitian	Bob Elle
Claire Nathan	Peter Noah (HRG)* West	Angela

*sliding south like a mofo


...didn't we START this series with, like, a whole fucking boatload of good guys? whoooo, didn't last long. those of you who know, like, ANYTHING about me know perfectly well what i think about this little development.

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[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

ANYTHING about me know perfectly well what i think about this little development.

Let me guess, you hate it, right? /sarcasm

And because I'm an anal bitch, I'm kinda... confused by your table. Are we talking about their "hero" powers, or other powers? (I ask mainly because HRG doesn't have a power and Bob's "hero" power hasn't actually been used for evil, unless you consider funding the company evil. I took it to mean both their "hero" power and human power, but that's sort of a fuzzy distinction for some.)

Because the Maja placement confuses me a bit. Her power by its very nature could never really be used for good per say, but the only times I've seen her use her powers where people have gotten hurt have been in self defense, where she's been afraid for her or her brother's life, or when she hasn't been able to control her powers. I guess for me, the real evil lies in the intent, and I don't think that Maja is intending to use her powers for evil at this point, although I see Sylar as a baaaaaad influence in this regard. But like I said, she's just got one of those powers that make a placement on that sort of grid difficult.

I'm also confused as to how West has used his powers for evil. Are we talking about the head cheerleader incident? Because that would put Claire in the both category too. Or the fight with Elle/helping HRG thing tonight? Because I think he'd still fall into the good category - he saved HRG's life and then barely participated in the plot other than helping Claire escape.

I clearly spend too much time thinking about this shit. I will stop now (even though I could probably go on. *sigh* I nerd myself out sometimes, I swear)

Also... tonight after HRG died? Heroes and I broke up. When Claire's blood brought him back to life? Crazy makeup sex.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

MOR CONFLICTED VILLAINS MOR MOR MOR.

and wrt HRG, just, yes. yesssss.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

the inclusion of HRG, mohinder and bob on this chart indicates that superpowers is not necessary for inclusion. powers in this case refers simply to an individual's natural abilities, whatever they may be.

west is a stalker whose primary use of his powers thus far has been transportation of self to school. tonight he saved claire, sure, and that's helping him, but again, the primary use of ability has been selfish and, as you said, barely even involved in the plot.

claire has saved the world, so, one incident of cheerleader set-down does not tip the scales.

maja's powers are the commission of mass homicide. so far, the powers have been used to ill effect - one time, even deliberately. she's killed people to get where she wants to go, man.

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

inclusion of HRG, mohinder and bob on this chart indicates that superpowers is not necessary for inclusion

Well, technically mohinder and bob do have superpowers. But I assumed as much from the HRG inclusion.

west is a stalker whose primary use of his powers thus far has been transportation of self to school. tonight he saved claire, sure, and that's helping him, but again, the primary use of ability has been selfish and, as you said, barely even involved in the plot.

Yes, but I think there's a difference between using a power for your own self interest where it doesn't harm others and using it for "evil". Your chart there has the middle ground as "both", which I took to mean "uses their powers for good at some points, evil at others", not in ways that are morally grey. I think West has done more good with his powers, and I really haven't seen him use his powers for EVIL. For shit that was neither (like transporting himself to school - that's not evil, but not good either) - but not evil. I consider selfish as being very different from evil.

I'm more willing to bend on Maja - I don't think SHE is evil or that she's trying to use her powers for evil... because most of the incidents where she's used her powers have been in cases where she's either lost control over her powers or where she feels threatened and acts in self defense. However, the end result of those situations is usually death, so I'd categorize her power as evil, not so sure about her

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

...mohinder and bob don't have superpowers. what are you smoking? *checks*

as for west, i think if you're willing to grey out his stalking, you have to grey out his claire-saving, too. so far, everything he's done has been in his own self-interest, nothing purely altruistic. yes, this gets him put in the same camp as shot-HRG-in-the-head-yet-saved-the-world mohinder, but.

on maja, yes, i agree exactly. the table is not a value judgment, just a summation of activity/consequences that takes intent into account. i mean, yes, she kills people, but mitigated by self-defense, so: grey. :)

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I always considered Mohinder's blood being a cure for the virus is technically a "power" (there were all these "signs" last season [his sister thing, which I don't think was ever explained] that hinted towards him having a power, and his blood is obviously "special" as it allows him to save those with powers, but I guess it's how you look at it), but Bob DEFINITELY has a power, babe. Remember the first episode where Mohinder asks about how they fund the company and Bob turns the spoon into gold? And he's also an "elder", so that tells you right there that he has a power.

Ok, I think general curosity about a girl where he kinda spies on her isn't EVIL, and it definitely doesn't cancel out his saving Claire. The first was just general curiosity, he wasn't out to hurt her in anyway. And he worked so hard at trying to help her accept herself. I don't even LIKE West, I don't know why I'm defending him. I still don't see using your powers to fly to school in the same category as shooting someone in the head, no matter what they were doing. BUT ANYWAY :P

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

I love your chart. Loved the asterisks and yes they are sliding south like a serious mofo. I have loathed West for so long and was kinda grumpy that the show made me like him for about twenty minutes last night. I thought that meant he was going to die, especially with him and Mr. Bennet bonding all cute over cars.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

ONLY IT WASN'T WEST, WAS IT. \o/

[rylock.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty fond of some of the moral sliding going on. Were it up to me, we'd be leading up to a titanic battle between the "good" heroes and the "evil" heroes.

I'm not so sure about Adam's placement, personally. The people who keep calling him dangerous, after all, are the same people you mark as "evil" on your chart. We know where Hiro left him in the 17th century, but does that mean he is still evil? I personally am still allowing for the possibility that Adam's alliance with Peter is an honest one and that it is the company that is ultimately evil, but we'll see.

Overall, though, I'm just glad to see Heroes become actually interesting again... interesting enough to discuss, anyhow. Actual moral greyness and being unsure of where the plot is headed is MUCH better than boring and predictable.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

it isn't a MORAL judgment, babes, it's just a summation of actions so far. believe me, i'm DELIGHTED to see moral grayness out of people who, in a predictable plot, would be black as tar. i mean, some evil toward a good end? done. done to death. done like dinner. but people who are supposed to be tarred and feathered acting in GOOD ways, like angela petrelli? WOO YEAH, COWBOY.

if david "my boyfriend" anders winds up being on the team of light and sunshine, i will shriek with joy, believe you me.

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I totally read that as "moral gayness"

*SIGH*

[soundingsea.livejournal.com]

those of you who know, like, ANYTHING about me know perfectly well what i think about this little development.

Yes! Because evil is sooooo hot. See also: Winchester, The Brothers.